Last week we had to decide on what sort of heating we wanted for the upstairs, which will be an office area (maybe) and honeymoon suite (aka love nest) for visitors. No reason to spend a fortune on this, since we already allocated that money for the kitchen. We have several choices for heating:
1) Electric wall or baseboard heaters: Cheap to buy, expensive to operate and can be noisy (like at the rental house).
2) Hot water baseboard heaters: these can be attractive, a bit expensive, and require much hotter water (ca 160-180°F) than we'll be making in the basement (120°F for Warmboard). So that means buying a second water heater (boiler really), and that doesn't make any sense to us.
3) Radiant heating—Staple up. There are various companies that make systems for heating your space by stapling radiant tubing below the subfloor and insulating the joist cavity. The idea is that the heat moves up and through the floor: early versions were simply hot-water tubing attached to the subfloor. Now they prefer to use aluminum plates or sheets to spread the heat out, which works pretty well. The heat source (pipe) is still 1.5" away from your feet, but wood has an R value of 0.7-1.4/inch, so there isn't much resistance. These plates screw to the bottom of the subfloor and provide a track for the tubing. Typical products are include Joist Trak by Wirsbo ($2/sq. ft) and Thermofin C heat transfer panels ($3.50 sq. ft) by Radiant Engineering. The materials are commonly priced at about $6-10 a square foot, which is as much as the clearly superior Warmboard we used downstairs ($215 per 4'x8' sheet = $6.72 sq. ft). One problem with staple up is you need to snake 300 ft of semi-rigid Pex through holes in the floor joists, joist blocking, and any headers. You use 8" spacing, so 300 ft of pipe (max length per loop) only covers 200 sq. ft of floor. Plus all the work is overhead with ladders, which isn't pretty when middle-aged folks are involved.
4) Radiant heating—Above floor. In retrospect, we probably should have used the Warmboard upstairs too since the other (inferior) commercial products are nearly comparable in price. However, we went past that fork in the construction road several months ago and there's no point in looking back (sorry Bruce Hull, our Warmboard guy). Nevertheless, other above-floor options are out there. Two prominent ones are Quik Trak panels by Wirsbo and Raupanels by Rehau. The Quik Trak panels are 7" by 48 and screw down onto the subfloor. They price out at about $4/sq. ft (currently on sale). One problem with these is that they use 5/16" HePex O2-barrier tubing which is not compatible with co-mingled radiant and domestic water system. Same goes for the Raupanels, which are lower tech. The are basically 8" x 48" plywood panels with a groove routered down the middle for the Pex. The ends are pre-routered returns, so when its all laid out and screwed down it looks like a less eloquent version of Warmboard, but priced at about $11/sq. ft. The attractive part about above floor heating is how easy the tubing goes down. So I got thinking about a 4th option, which I like to call Mikey's Thermoboards.
4) Thermoboards (aka poorman's Warmboard). This is a hybrid version of Raupanels made out of 5/8" plywood. Technically, the piping gets laid out just like the Warmboard, but it doesn't have a continuous bonded-aluminum upper face. I'll rip 11 3/8" wide panels out of the 5/8" AC plywood (longways, 4 panels per sheet, ca. $35 each or about $1 sq ft.). The 1/2"AquaPex tubing (5/8" OD, $0.37/ft mail order) will go between the panels, for a finished width of 12" per panel. For the returns, I'll cut 12" x 48" panels from plywood, screw then down and use the router templates and bit that Warmboard supplied to make the return channels for each pipe run. I'll put a layer of aluminum under the panels (heat transmission) where I want it a bit warmer (bathroom) and cover the tubing with 10"-wide aluminum (comes in rolls, like the stuff they extrude gutters from now days). I can staple the aluminum down with my new airgun (Porter Cable from Tool King in Denver; it has a compressor, stapler, finish nailer and brad nailer; $229) and screw the panels in place with 1 1/8" drywall screws (ca. 800). Lots of labor, but like Pete Rowley (ex-USGS) was fond of saying "what is time to a pig." When you install the finished flooring, be careful to not nail through any of the aluminum or piping, and all is well (same goes with the Warmboard). The aluminum runs about $1 a square foot, so I think the finished Thermoboards (without tubing in them) will price out at $2.50 a sq. ft, which is 2/3rds to 1/4th the price of commercial options. Did I mention the No. 1 reason to build your own house: You can easily justify every tool you'd want to buy (new table saw comes next week, oh boy).
By the way, we've got a daytime security system in place. It has high-gain audio capability, search and retrieve options, and the ability to incapacitate intruders. It operates during working hours and is fueled by bacon, treats, and lunch scraps: a pretty efficient unit named Coal. He's Gary's buddy and worksite dog. He grew up on the job and, in fact, Gary has turned down framing jobs for people that aren't particularly fond of dogs.
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Subcontractors and Suppliers
- Balco Excav. (land clearing, Bill Snyder)
- Bill McCutchen's Mill (cedar trim)
- Blake Tile and Stone, Sequim (Judy Reno, Eldorado Stone, Tile)
- Bob Brown Plumbing (Bob & Josh Brown)
- Boise Cascade joists (from Carls)
- Carl's Building Supply (Mike, Melissa, Michele, Terry & Lawrence)
- Castlerock Landscaping (Tim Hamm, Sequim)
- Cotton RediMix (concrete and gravel)
- Craighead Electric (Gary Estes)
- Custom Hearth (propane fireplaces), Pousbo
- Daltile (Seattle, Wedi board)
- Discount Cabinets of Washington (Sequim)
- Discovery Bay Materials (gravel, top soil)
- Earl Kong (professional forester, PT))
- EcoHaus (Amer. Clay Plaster, cork flooring)
- Ellis Construction (Gary and Troy Ellis, framing)
- Evergreen Products (Drywall, Sequim)
- Fergusons, Seattle (Plumbing fixtures, Bud Allen Wright)
- FInlandia Saunas (Tigard, OR)
- Fitzgerald Concrete (driveway, Mike Fitzgerald)
- Four Corners Nursery (trees, Port Hadlock)
- Frank Feltes Custom Drywall and Painting (drywall and painting)
- Frank Ward and Wayne Jobst (Stone masons)
- Fredricks Appliances (Redmond, all appliances)
- Giraffe Gutters (Dan Shaw, Chimicum)
- Glass Etchings by Perrett (Jerry Perrett)
- Hadlock Building Supply (bits and pieces)
- Hardiboard, siding, backer board (from Carls and Home Depot)
- Henerys Hardware (Cabot stain, misc. fasteners)
- Hi-Tech Electronics (Audio & Media, Port Angeles)
- Hide-A-Hose (Joseph, A-B Vacuum, Puyallup, WA)
- Home Depot (electrical & plumbing supplies, interior paint)
- Home Storage Solutions (John Plake, PT)
- Hope Roofing (Pabco Paramont Advantage shingles)
- Jim's Tool Time (J. Quandt, misc. carpentry)
- K&D Concrete (Don McNeese)
- Kitchen and Bath Studio (Shelly Little, cabinets)
- Levi's Energy Services LLC (radiant design, vents, propane piping)
- Meta Marble and Granite (travertine), Seattle
- Michaelangelo (sepentinite), Seattle
- Mikael Brostrom (Structural Engineer)
- Mills Interiors (wood flooring, some tile)
- North Coast Electrical (Electrical Supplies)
- Olympic Garage Doors (Sequim)
- Penisula Flooring (carpet)
- Penisula Shower and Mirror (Sequim)
- PexSupply (online plumbing and radiant supplies)
- Puget Sound Power (and Atelco installers)
- Richard Berg Architects (Richard and Darlene)
- Richard Gifford Construction (septic, dry wells and grading)
- Richerts Marble and Granite (countertop fabricators)
- Seattle Lighting (lighting fixtures)
- Secret Gardens Nursery (Sheila Piccini)
- Shine Quarry (basalt for landscaping)
- Sierra Pacific Windows (Rob Sorg)
- Simpson Doors (from Carls)
- Simpson Strong Tie (fasteners & hold downs)
- Stewart Excavating (Mark Stewart, foundation)
- Sunshine Propane (propane and tank)
- Therma-Tru Doors (from Carls)
- Tracy's Insulation (batts and blow in)
- Trex Decking (from Carls)
- Trussworks (roof trusses, Carl's)
- Velux (Skylights and Solar tubes, Carls)
- Versalam beams (from Carls)
- Warmboard (Bruce Hull)
- Wisbo Aquipex, Taco Pumps, Polaris tank (Sunshine Propane)
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- Kala Point Builder
- Professional geologist (USGS, 1972-2008), amateur home remodeler and now builder. Interested in sailing, all things involving salt water, woodworking, and food in general. Owner of Paleo Seis Surveys LLC, consulting in Quaternary geology and geological hazards.